Thread starter Mr. Moonlight; Start date Sep 13, . Reformer gets a powerful artifact. Only if I could mark "Helpful" multiple times Is making your concubine who was a "raid-captured daughter of enemy duke" your vassal queen, and then murdering her an exploit? They then become the "Reformed" version. Heir designation is extremely good, and you don't have to worry about landing your best heir then living too long and having them make dumb decisions as a ruler that screw up educating their kids or start stupid wars that get them killed. And the Indian religions. Anyway, good list and I have to say I agree on most of the points! In fact I was really surprised they didn't do anything with Manichaeanism in HL. Ancestor Worship decision available. Doesnt block us from raiding, hunting focus etc. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. These doctrines can be picked no matter the reformer's religion. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (eg Hellenic). Though, Unyielding isnt perfect. Rurik Rurikid, Petty King of Holmgarr in 867, is the historical founder of the Russian Empire. Edit: I have recommended a combination that gives u an ultra stable realm but if you want to expand and get the SPQR achievement, then pick the Unyielding doctrine and Temporal leadership instead. your character tries to convert them personally, like carousing or something). I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. To get Yourself venerated not only You need to give away Your temporal title (if You took it), it also makes You want to take some of the more questionable traits like "Craven" for Unyielding. This attrition only applies in provinces of the same religion as their ruler, so Germanic pagans won't lower their enemies' supply limits in Slavic territory. I usually take unyielding but in the future I think I'll go with Proselytizing. If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. Finding one of the few Hellenic characters, and having them educate your child or granting them a title: This page was last edited on 16 August 2022, at 07:19. [1] These are not immediately obvious before reformation, or even immediately upon reformation. Nature: Peaceful ( you will rule a massive empire as a Roman and will mostly have Vassal Kings. Hinduism is solid with the early Holy Order, morale buff, patron deities and raiding but they lack any inheritance/realm management perks. The African faith is followed by the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. If someone used it with success please advocate this nature in comments. For hellenic rome, warmongering, unrelenting, civilized and im not sure about the last one since the pontifex maximus was not very strong in his authority, having powers like fixing the calendar. Stability is in fact quite helpful and has nice synergies, but I wouldn't pick it standalone. Moral Authority edit Main article: Moral authority It basically removes any fear of a succession crisis ever again, and Enatic gets the slight edge by basically giving you a free subjugation/crusade option on pretty much any leader in the game due to the rarity of female rulers in general. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable. Aztec Pyramid construction. Dogmatic: See above. Here is an extensive CK2 guide about Pagan Reformation, where we explain all Natures, Doctrines, and Leadership options. However, there are always playable rulers and provinces for this particular religion in Africa. The lack of a formal religious tradition means that pagans have a harder time spreading their faith outside pagan lands. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? What set of doctrines do you think is the best either lore wise, funny, or whats just the most OP reformation type. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. For Power, Divine Marriage is average. I think the only time I mention something similar is switching to Germanic to use Prepared Invasion in the context of Daring. Nomads have their unique nomadic succession which does not split the realm like gavelkind. However, the religion's holy sites are scattered far and wide making reformation very hard. Proselyting - ??? Standard stuff for defensive pagans. As I recall stability+astrology also has a synergy where you get to boost your heir at birth. Equality allows the player to not only land females, but also to get even higher scores since female dynasts could have consorts, who as concubines provides prestige. Meritocracy is just delayed open succession after we get to Primogeniture law. Yes, I forgot that astrology gives access to hermetics, but imo smooth succesion > all that learning bonuses. I hope this tier list/guide was useful for you here reading this, despite its huge length. Levy size bonus from unreformed Aztec faith will be lost. actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. Foreign rulers will sometimes send missionaries. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. The Orthodox Pentarchy is also fun. With Monks and Mystics, Zunists characters may join the Hermetic Society. They can easily convert provinces by pillaging every holding in a province. With the exception of the reformed Germanic religion, the faith will also immediately gain a holy order. Most pagans may raid neighboring provinces (and coastal provinces, if ships are available) for loot and prestige, even without a tribal government (which majority of the pagans are). Unyielding: This would be my number one if I had to chose. Also, as tech advances, rival feudal realms can take advantage to construct better buildings for greater economic and military power. I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. Seers (court chaplains) have a significant penalty to the chance to convert provinces on top of their likely-lower moral authority, and vassals cannot be demanded to convert. It combines mechanics from Dharmic religions and defensive paganism and offers quite a unique gaming experience. 867 enatic bloodline,African religion for consorts, cosmopolitan for husbands, syncretic to remove penalties, divine marriage so you can seduce and cosort acquire bloodlines, autonomous for a floating Dynasty opinion, fertility, or another +10 religion modifier. However, the Tengri faith does not die out during the entire period of the game and there are always relatively strong rulers for it in the game. Two mutually exclusive bloodlines can be created by this process. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous A generic Pagan faith is used in the history files to represent everyone from pre-Christian Irish kings to pre-Islamic Arabs. I may found bridge from new DLC's teaser. Need the +3 demense to have enough personal levies and also +15 opinion combined with Augustus trait and Born in the Purple ( another +15 opinion) is pretty OP. While three of the faith's holy sites are in Scandinavia, the other two are in mainland Europe and often held by strong Christian rulers. Also you cannot create warrior lodge. However, you may convert to an organized religion and change the succession law to the more useful (regular) gavelkind. The best Doctrines by far are the two "Clans" option with the slight edge to Enatic. The resulting empty holding slots further strengthens the horde. First off I didn't do any exploits. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. They must switch to elective gavelkind if they wish to declare Subjugation or Tribal Invasion wars. Animistic has same problems as unrelenting, it gives rite of passage event when reaching adulthood which has some flavour. Reformer picks two doctrines. Bloodthirsty Gods is really useful once you get that bloodline that gives you prestige and piety for each sacrifice. It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. Women can take up to 3 consorts. In game terms, reformed pagans no longer face the restrictions on crown authority, succession, independence wars and conversion that other pagans do. The Short Reign penalty is reduced to merely double the normal amount for Germanic pagans among the same Germanic faith, but Old Germanic pagans will have the full -45 penalty in addition to the heretic penalty. Zun can also be reformed like other pagan faiths. Thread starter AwesomeKeith; Start date Mar 26, 2016; Jump to latest Follow Reply . However, the Sons of Abraham demon child event chain will create Zunist "witches", who can be married matrilineally or assigned as guardians to children with the Faith or Heritage focus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug). Rulers can spend 500 Prestige and 150 Piety to increase courtier or own attributes. Strangely there are no upsides to Shia or Ibadi. Ironically, the low technology is a greater issue after the adoption of feudalism, as feudal realms require higher tech for the construction of buildings. The love of battle among these pagans means that rulers incur no relation penalty with their vassals for having troops raised. Reforming a faith costs 750 piety. on Paradox technology, Legal Stability: It does what it says, your vassals rarely start any factions, your domain limit is huge, all is well until you want to start some wars. Ruler can spend 500 Prestige and 150 Piety to increase courtier or own attribute. In later starts, expanding north becomes increasingly difficult and by 1066, many rulers of the area have converted to Islam. ( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. Hellenic Paganism : A. This allows other pagans (especially Tengri and Germanic pagans) to fairly easily invade other pagans with conquest and subjugation casus belli. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Aztec religion only appears in-game if Sunset Invasion DLC is in use. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Please help with verifying or updating older sections of this article.At least some were last verified for version 3.0. If consorts are available and the Peaceful religion nature and Tribalist traits from Autonomous leadership outweigh the Short Reign penalty (and the player ensures that most vassals are of the player's dynasty), it makes sense to pick Divine Marriage instead of Stability, to get an even higher score from Divine marriages, in situations where inbreeding is already likely. Depends on what you want. Although I admit the bloodline bugs with male consorts are beyond annoying. Feudal unreformed pagans typically use gavelkind succession. Enatic-cognatic law is available. * Your mileage may vary. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. When you choose to play as a pagan ruler in CK2, you accept that there might be some problems (succession, levies, conversions) along the way that come with the advantages. +40% garrison size in county of this religion. In the north, start in Novgorod, Poland, or Kiev and form your corresponding de jure kingdom first, then work your way to the other two holy sites. Access to Hermetic society. CK2 Pagan Reformation - Natures The first thing you will choose is one Nature. Reforming the religion will cause a schism in the pagan faith. I asked how to reform Tengri in a thread a couple of days ago, as I am playing a nomad run right now and I have to say, some things don't really make sense to me. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. Proselytizing: I will be honest, I never picked it. Sorry for the confusion. What, in your opinion, is the best handgun? You trade some of your offensive/defensive capability for stability, faster conversion, and Great Holy Wars to combat Crusades and Jihads. Alternatively, feudal kings and emperors can enact the "Full Council Authority" law and adopt feudal elective succession. The version without a religious head and Great Holy War becomes a heresy and is called the "Old" version of the religion. Patron Deities. CK2 Cheats CK2 Province IDs CK2 Event IDs Other CK2 IDs and Codes CK2 Blog Type the name of a title, or a title ID, into the search box below to instantly search our database of title IDs. Thats all for now! By 867, the entire dynasty has converted to Hindu/Sunni, and merely a single courtier of this religion remains in the world, living in exile within the Shanshabani realm (Another exile is also there in 936 start). When I ran a Muslim realm with a capital in Marrekech, and put 1 castle, 1 city, and 5 mosques there, I felt like I was the most powerful guy in the world. Bn rulers are playable with either Jade Dragon, The Old Gods, or Holy Fury. C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Any tribal leader, whose religion is pagan unreformed, neighbouring a realm whose leader's religion is organized - e.g. What, in your opinion, is the best aim training? I agree, meliorism should have notification. And you can make a chain of your demesne inside the silk trade route. They also gain access to Great Holy Wars if the Catholics have unlocked Crusades or the Muslims have unlocked Jihads. Pagans may fight back in the name of the old gods, and even seek to eliminate the monotheists from Europe. Levy size & attack bonus from unreformed Tengri faith will be lost. You can take Temporal with AV. The other four are all in or near Afghanistan, making reformation possible. I wish it was more interactive (e.g. Also you can give away the title, the best way would probably be as a viceroyalty. Equality can be achieved with enough tech by the year 950+ . Unyielding also reduces AI aggressiveness, which can be a negative if you want your AI vassals to attack/invade your enemies for you. Partially redundant with Children of Perun doctrine. Zunist mechanics are a hybrid of defensive/offensive pagans and organized religions. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in first doctrine slot, it is lost. Full status of woman law is enforced. Germanic pagans do not have to reform to create the Jomsvikings; instead, they must control Stettin, Wolgast, Rgen or Werle.). No female temple holders. It has synergy with enatic/agnatic or meritocracy, after 9 successful boosts for close family relative we get a bloodline. "Offensive" pagans get a bonus to their levy size (+30% levy size for Germanic, for example). +5% Morale of armies. I enjoy and make videos of strategy games, RPGs, and more usually in the form of crazy challenge runs, character roleplaying, or other ways to spice things up. Germanic pagans do especially well since they get free ships, can navigate rivers, and are close to prime raiding targets. Note that reformed pagans may not send missionaries, the only organized religion group with this distinction. If that bloodline gets passed down it's a great way to boost up prestige in the early reign of your descendants. I admit I have not played Hellenic yet but it sounds awesome to me. By choosing to reform your pagan religion, you will lose all the old advantages such as attrition for enemies and subjugation wars, but gain all the bonuses of a civilized nation. Suomenusko retains a sizable number of provinces throughout the game and it is very easy to put the fear of Ukko to other religions, whether you start in 769, 867 or 1066. The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. I may found bridge from new DLC's teaser. And isn't Civilized like a dream? Hellenic Paganism : A. With tribal mechanics, pagans cannot raise Tribal Organization very high without having severe relations penalty for tribal Unreformed Pagan vassals (-30 opinion with Absolute). Proselytizing is a must pick if you have a lot of land with conversion resistant heathens, since AI rarely bothers converting them otherwise. Intermarry Buddhist, Zoroastrian group. If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. )Best religion for gold income as liege : sunni Due to the additional tax from holdings in counties without Muslim religion. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable.AI rulers will not convert provinces. Defensive pagan holdings also have larger garrisons (bonus varies per religion), making them harder to siege. To help in the struggle against unbelievers, each reformed faith gets a single holy order. Additionally, Unyielding is a bit of a jack of all trades if you want to blob, Proselyting is better for converting provinces. The "too short ruler" penalty can be brutal if You don't have a majesty level high enough. Unlocks divine marriage, allowing and encouraging incestuous marriages. Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are better. Despite similarities between autonomous reformed paganism and Dharmic religions (followers of both has religious branch trait), the former still needs to deal with heresy (old pagan religion), while the latter has no heresies. I never tried Astrology and Haruspicy, I think they have the same amount of events as bloodthirsty gods, but I have yet to try them. Proselytizing allows for faster conversion and you can also try to convert AI leaders with your court chaplain/diviner (or whatever the position is called). 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